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Post by urthona on Jun 14, 2012 8:17:01 GMT -8
first off, notice how many less words are in the reversals in comparison to the forwards--usually its the other way round i have come to think that CIA does not refer to that one of the alphabet soup agencies but to the central intelligence agency within each body F: -body i use R: CIA k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9a389xcawv/cia.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/3ozl8lefr5/cia2.mp3it takes some work to find some of these reversals but once the click in they are fairly easy to hear F: Make out like it never happened And that we were nothing And I don't even need your love R: first (?) viewed our heaven now we work in the valley in the garden k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/kwl6y58x0q/first_viewed_our_heaven_now_we_work_in_the_valley_in_the_garden.mp3i practically forgot about peggy until i almost reached the end lol so had to go back and dig her out but this reversal sums it up--it isnt easy to hear at first in such a large chunk so i also break it down into its components: F: And you didn't have to stoop so low Have your friends collect your records And then change your number I guess that I don't need that though Now you're just somebody that I u- R: CIA i was seeing poor peggy embarrassing heaven was used i missed it first galaxy athena her soul spins peggy k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/kgvczi0p44/cia_i_was_seeing_poor_peggy_embarrassing_heaven_was_used_i_missed_it_first_galaxy_athena_her_soul_spinning_peggy.mp3F: And you didn't have to stoop so low Have your friends collect your R: first galaxy athena her soul spins peggy k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/w987f211le/first_galaxy_athena_her_soul_spinning_peggy.mp3F: records And then change your R: was used i missed it k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/l5soirn0v0/was_used_i_missed_it.mp3F: number I guess that I don't need that though Now you're just somebody that I u- R: CIA i was seeing poor peggy embarrassing heaven k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/bhjo001e3f/cia_i_was_seeing_poor_peggy_embarrassing_heaven.mp3------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ notes: Har is a character in the mythological writings of William Blake, who roughly corresponds to an aged Adam. His wife, Heva, corresponds to Eve Har was overthrown by his children, Tiriel, Ijim and Zazel. As time went by, he and his wife, Heva, came to reside in the Vales of Har, where they gradually succumbed to dementia, regressing to a childlike state to such an extent that they came to think their guardian, Mnetha [nurse, guardian of beulah]is their mother Har and Heva are forced to flee into the wilderness, after their family rebel against them. In their exile in the desert, they then turn into reptiles. Har and Heva are based on Adam and Eve, "Har is distinguished from Adam. Adam is ordinary man in his mixed twofold nature of imagination and Selfhood. Har is the human Selfhood which, though men spend most of their time trying to express it, never achieves reality and is identified only as death. Har, unlike Adam, never outgrows his garden but remains there shut up from the world in a permanent state of near-existence Har's immediate father is Satan, representative of self-love en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har_%28Blake%29books.google.com/books?id=WZEc5pGxU2AC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=mnetha+blake+meaning&source=bl&ots=pvp6ME7GOe&sig=UWhH51yxGuxCY8uYX0egraDwybI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=afPZT7D5BePM6QHr24DOAg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mnetha%20blake%20meaning&f=falseIt iles upon us to undo the lie Of living merely in the realm of time >> Before I knocked and flesh let enter, >> With liquid hands tapped on the womb, >> I who was shapeless as the water >> That shaped the Jordan near my home >> Was brother to Mnetha's daughter >> And sister to the fathering worm books.google.com/books?id=lMxlKv4bFYgC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=mnetha+blake+meaning&source=bl&ots=ONY2HXkcll&sig=E_dyIp7zKkpIwhOyoi4XcFImHxo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=afPZT7D5BePM6QHr24DOAg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=mnetha%20blake%20meaning&f=falseThe symbolic element in the songs is slight, delicate, evanescent. Here, more even than elsewhere, the heavy tread of the interpreter is oppressive. Even the "Little Black Boy," however, cannot be understood, unless it be taken as part of the general mystical manifesto that runs through all the work. In this poem Man's heart and imagination need, we are told, to be exercised for a while on the dark things of the five senses with their seemingly solid and opaque world around. Man is then the little black boy, taught by mother Nature underneath the tree that is the Vine in its good aspect, and becomes Mystery when Priesthood perverts this teaching. The mother, who is the "vegetative happy,"—Mnetha herself,—points to the East while she teaches symbolism. The sun is the signal of Love, that paradoxically manifests itself by giving us a cloud, the dark body, to screen us from Himself. By death or by inspiration we shall presently be free of it, and then it will be seen that the white boy is also the inhabitant of a cloud as much as he who is outwardly dark. Compare "Jerusalem," p. 14, l. 34, and "Vala," Night IV., l. 255, where the daughters of Beulah — the mild emotions of the bodily regions — speak, and explain in the same manner as this song the "garments of Luvah," as the "cloud" or mortal blood is there called.
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Post by urthona on Jun 14, 2012 8:25:37 GMT -8
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Post by ralph on Jun 14, 2012 8:53:21 GMT -8
Thanks for this Urthona!
I tried to download Audacity, and it locked up on my laptop and I couldn't use it, then I tried downloading it on my deskstop, said it wasn't compatible, so I gave up and just listened to Youtube video reversals. I also have a regular recorder that I use to listen to my voice.
I'm gonna try downloading the site you use for reversing.
Thanks again!
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Post by urthona on Jun 14, 2012 10:20:10 GMT -8
Thanks for this Urthona! I tried to download Audacity, and it locked up on my laptop and I couldn't use it, then I tried downloading it on my deskstop, said it wasn't compatible, so I gave up and just listened to Youtube video reversals. I also have a regular recorder that I use to listen to my voice. I'm gonna try downloading the site you use for reversing. Thanks again! i use david oates RSPro for reversing--it auto dumps the file with rs at 3 diff speeds and u can bookmark for returning to reversals in the original file--easy to use--lots of extras i have never explored oates recently lowered his price--it was outrageous there for a while--i dont recall offhand what it costs now but if it is too much perhaps a reverser here or on franks other site could assist you with audacity--i have downloaded it previously when i wanted to make a pic of the file; oates' is different; but it cant be too hard because i did it i detest machinery, sometimes door knobs have been known to trick me lol i just checked--$80 way cheaper than it was www.reversespeech.com/products.htmmight be the computer too--some are set up to make recording sound almost impossible unless you want to resort to the junky recorder in accessories--if the computer is the problem a wade thru google might help with ways to get around it biggest thing is to jump in and fiddle with the files--a straight run backwards is not practical--sometimes i will listen to a file in reverse played at a much faster speed just to see what jumps out while i am doing other things--reversals usually congregate, just like woes, so start by locating a clear one then mess with the beginnings and endings of nearby phrases--some sounds are tight and a precise break is needed if there is something i might be able to help with just ask
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Post by ralph on Jun 14, 2012 12:06:23 GMT -8
Thanks for this Urthona! I tried to download Audacity, and it locked up on my laptop and I couldn't use it, then I tried downloading it on my deskstop, said it wasn't compatible, so I gave up and just listened to Youtube video reversals. I also have a regular recorder that I use to listen to my voice. I'm gonna try downloading the site you use for reversing. Thanks again! i use david oates RSPro for reversing--it auto dumps the file with rs at 3 diff speeds and u can bookmark for returning to reversals in the original file--easy to use--lots of extras i have never explored oates recently lowered his price--it was outrageous there for a while--i dont recall offhand what it costs now but if it is too much perhaps a reverser here or on franks other site could assist you with audacity--i have downloaded it previously when i wanted to make a pic of the file; oates' is different; but it cant be too hard because i did it i detest machinery, sometimes door knobs have been known to trick me lol i just checked--$80 way cheaper than it was www.reversespeech.com/products.htmmight be the computer too--some are set up to make recording sound almost impossible unless you want to resort to the junky recorder in accessories--if the computer is the problem a wade thru google might help with ways to get around it biggest thing is to jump in and fiddle with the files--a straight run backwards is not practical--sometimes i will listen to a file in reverse played at a much faster speed just to see what jumps out while i am doing other things--reversals usually congregate, just like woes, so start by locating a clear one then mess with the beginnings and endings of nearby phrases--some sounds are tight and a precise break is needed if there is something i might be able to help with just ask Thanks for the tips, Urthona, much appreciated!
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Post by urthona2 on Jun 14, 2012 12:23:02 GMT -8
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Post by urthona on Jun 15, 2012 20:05:01 GMT -8
first off, notice how many less words are in the reversals in comparison to the forwards--usually its the other way round i have come to think that CIA does not refer to that one of the alphabet soup agencies but to the central intelligence agency within each body F: -body i use R: CIA k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9a389xcawv/cia.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/3ozl8lefr5/cia2.mp3it takes some work to find some of these reversals but once the click in they are fairly easy to hear F: Make out like it never happened And that we were nothing And I don't even need your love R: first (?) viewed our heaven now we work in the valley in the garden k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/kwl6y58x0q/first_viewed_our_heaven_now_we_work_in_the_valley_in_the_garden.mp3i practically forgot about peggy until i almost reached the end lol so had to go back and dig her out but this reversal sums it up--it isnt easy to hear at first in such a large chunk so i also break it down into its components: F: And you didn't have to stoop so low Have your friends collect your records And then change your number I guess that I don't need that though Now you're just somebody that I u- R: CIA i was seeing poor peggy embarrassing heaven was used i missed it first galaxy athena her soul spins peggy k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/kgvczi0p44/cia_i_was_seeing_poor_peggy_embarrassing_heaven_was_used_i_missed_it_first_galaxy_athena_her_soul_spinning_peggy.mp3F: And you didn't have to stoop so low Have your friends collect your R: first galaxy athena her soul spins peggy k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/w987f211le/first_galaxy_athena_her_soul_spinning_peggy.mp3F: records And then change your R: was used i missed it k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/l5soirn0v0/was_used_i_missed_it.mp3F: number I guess that I don't need that though Now you're just somebody that I u- R: CIA i was seeing poor peggy embarrassing heaven k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/bhjo001e3f/cia_i_was_seeing_poor_peggy_embarrassing_heaven.mp3------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ notes: Har is a character in the mythological writings of William Blake, who roughly corresponds to an aged Adam. His wife, Heva, corresponds to Eve Har was overthrown by his children, Tiriel, Ijim and Zazel. As time went by, he and his wife, Heva, came to reside in the Vales of Har, where they gradually succumbed to dementia, regressing to a childlike state to such an extent that they came to think their guardian, Mnetha [nurse, guardian of beulah]is their mother Har and Heva are forced to flee into the wilderness, after their family rebel against them. In their exile in the desert, they then turn into reptiles. Har and Heva are based on Adam and Eve; Har is distinguished from Adam. Adam is ordinary man in his mixed twofold nature of imagination and Selfhood. Har is the human Selfhood which, though men spend most of their time trying to express it, never achieves reality and is identified only as death. Har, unlike Adam, never outgrows his garden but remains there shut up from the world in a permanent state of near-existence Har's immediate father is Satan, representative of self-love en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har_%28Blake%29books.google.com/books?id=WZEc5pGxU2AC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=mnetha+blake+meaning&source=bl&ots=pvp6ME7GOe&sig=UWhH51yxGuxCY8uYX0egraDwybI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=afPZT7D5BePM6QHr24DOAg&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mnetha%20blake%20meaning&f=falseIt iles upon us to undo the lie Of living merely in the realm of time >> Before I knocked and flesh let enter, >> With liquid hands tapped on the womb, >> I who was shapeless as the water >> That shaped the Jordan near my home >> Was brother to Mnetha's daughter >> And sister to the fathering worm books.google.com/books?id=lMxlKv4bFYgC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=mnetha+blake+meaning&source=bl&ots=ONY2HXkcll&sig=E_dyIp7zKkpIwhOyoi4XcFImHxo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=afPZT7D5BePM6QHr24DOAg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=mnetha%20blake%20meaning&f=falseThe symbolic element in the songs is slight, delicate, evanescent. Here, more even than elsewhere, the heavy tread of the interpreter is oppressive. Even the "Little Black Boy," however, cannot be understood, unless it be taken as part of the general mystical manifesto that runs through all the work. In this poem Man's heart and imagination need, we are told, to be exercised for a while on the dark things of the five senses with their seemingly solid and opaque world around. Man is then the little black boy, taught by mother Nature underneath the tree that is the Vine in its good aspect, and becomes Mystery when Priesthood perverts this teaching. The mother, who is the "vegetative happy,"�Mnetha herself,�points to the East while she teaches symbolism. The sun is the signal of Love, that paradoxically manifests itself by giving us a cloud, the dark body, to screen us from Himself. By death or by inspiration we shall presently be free of it, and then it will be seen that the white boy is also the inhabitant of a cloud as much as he who is outwardly dark. Compare "Jerusalem," p. 14, l. 34, and "Vala," Night IV., l. 255, where the daughters of Beulah � the mild emotions of the bodily regions � speak, and explain in the same manner as this song the "garments of Luvah," as the "cloud" or mortal blood is there called. i have been working on the metaphorical meaning of the reversals, especially athena and mnetha athena is often portrayed as wisdom but blake had little use for the greeks lol--trying to piece it together--she was the one who turned medusas hair into snakes and overall doesnt seem very wise to me: Poseidon guised himself as a horse, and seduced the beautiful maiden (medusa). This in itself was not the problem with the rape. The rape took place in one of the temples that belonged to the War Goddess Athena. This outraged Athena, as she was both jealous, and angry with the disrespect given her temple. Athena needed a release, and so she sought to ruin Medusa in several ways. She first cursed her beauty, turning her beloved hair into terrible snakes, thus frightening anyone, and causing at once Medusa to be cursed as ugly. The scorn that Medusa suffers, the loss of her most favored quality, causes her to become revolting. If having a head full of snakes was not enough, this did not satisfy Athena. Medusa was so hideous that she was cast out, and forced to dwell in a cave. Medusa's cold eyes would then turn anyone who looked at her into stone. She was deemed a terrible monster. Perseus was sent on a mission to kill Medusa. Athena aids him in this, lending to him her shield that he uses to reflect Medusa, instead of looking at her and risking being turned to stone. He was also given the winged shoes of Hermes, to assist him in getting to his mission promptly. Given a hat that allowed him to become invisible, and a bag that would contain the head of the monster, Perseus set off on his mission. Mnetha – Damon believes she represents the spirit of neoclassicism, which Blake felt encouraged inferior poetry and painting.[1] He also points out that Mnetha is "almost" an anagram of Athena, goddess of wisdom. Frye suggests that the name is an amalgamation of Athena and Mnemosyne, the personification of memory in Greek mythology.[23] Anne Kostelanetz Mellor sees her as representative of "that memory that preserves the vision of the past now tiriel, a son of har, had a daughter who he cursed and turned her hair into snakes according to blake an error began on the spiritual level, something we did not comprehend, which caused the fall--we have to work thru understanding here in the physical so the error can take "shape" and be cast out--i think its self love, or perhaps selfish love of self , still working on that [arent we all haha] digitalcommons.colby.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2371&context=cq&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Ddavid%2520erdman%2520mnetha%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D7%26ved%3D0CFgQFjAG%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.colby.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D2371%2526context%253Dcq%26ei%3DNHzbT6KeEbCf6QHFuNWyCw%26usg%3DAFQjCNHYPHp-euPI3da4miXOF0aQFzZcqA#search=%22david%20erdman%20mnetha%22Hela – Damon argues that she symbolises touch and sexuality.[16] She is possibly named after Hel, the Scandinavian goddess of Hell in Thomas Gray's The Descent of Odin
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Post by urthona on Jun 15, 2012 20:18:02 GMT -8
Other aspects of Blake's mythology also begin to emerge during the poem. For example, Damon argues that the death of the four unnamed daughters and the corruption of the fifth is Blake's first presentation of the death of the four senses and the corruption of touch, or sex; "all imaginative activity based on the senses disappears except automatic sexual reproduction. Even this proves too much for his moral virtue."
As Damon elaborates, "Hela's Medusan locks are the torturing thoughts of suppressed lust."[32] The corruption of the senses plays an important role throughout Europe a Prophecy ("the five senses whelm'd/In deluge o'er the earth-born man"), The Book of Urizen ("The senses inwards rush'd shrinking,/Beneath the dark net of infection"), The Song of Los ("Thus the terrible race of Los & Enitharmon gave/Laws & Religions to the sons of Har binding them more/And more to Earth: closing and restraining:/Till a Philosophy of Five Senses was complete"), The Four Zoas ("Beyond the bounds of their own self their senses cannot penetrate") and Jerusalem ("As the Senses of Men shrink together under the Knife of flint").
Harold Bloom points out that the points of the compass, which would come to play a vital role in Blake's later mythological system, are used symbolically for the first time in Tiriel; "the reference to "the western plains" in line 2 marks the onset of Blake's directional system, in which the west stands for man's body, with its potential either for sensual salvation or natural decay."[9] In The Four Zoas, Milton and Jerusalem, after the Fall of the primeval man, Albion, he is divided fourfold, and each of the four Zoas corresponds to a point on the compass and an aspect of Fallen man; Tharmas is west (the body), Urizen is south (Reason), Luvah is east (emotions) and Urthona is north (imagination).
Another subtle connection with the later mythological system is found when Tiriel has all but thirty of his sons killed; "And all the children in their beds were cut off in one night/Thirty of Tiriels sons remaind. to wither in the palace/Desolate. Loathed. Dumb Astonishd waiting for black death" (5:32-34). Damon believes this foreshadows The Book of Urizen, where Urizen brings about the fall of the thirty cities of Africa; "And their thirty cities divided/In form of a human heart"
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Post by urthona on Jun 15, 2012 20:24:27 GMT -8
F: Like when you said you felt so happy you could die R: but we fell stuff was missing
F: So when we found that we could not make sense R: a snake found a mirror i froze
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Post by urthona on Jun 16, 2012 7:08:41 GMT -8
the War Goddess Athena
'Twas the Greeks' love of war Turn'd Love into a boy, And woman into a statue of stone-- And away fled every joy.
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Post by urthona on Jun 16, 2012 7:11:49 GMT -8
VI NAIL his neck to the cross: nail it with a nail. Nail his neck to the cross: ye all have power over his tail.
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Post by urthona on Jun 16, 2012 21:07:44 GMT -8
i cant say this is proof but it does make you wonder k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/k09lteq24z/r_the_bee_a_mommy_below.mp3Why was Cupid a boy, And why a boy was he? He should have been a girl, For aught that I can see. For he shoots with his bow, And the girl shoots with her eye, And they both are merry and glad, And laugh when we do cry. And to make Cupid a boy Was the Cupid girl's mocking plan; For a boy can't interpret the thing Till he is become a man. And then he's so pierc'd with cares, And wounded with arrowy smarts, That the whole business of his life Is to pick out the heads of the darts. 'Twas the Greeks' love of war Turn'd Love into a boy, And woman into a statue of stone-- And away fled every joy. THE WOUNDED CUPID Cupid, the slyest rogue alive, One day was plund'ring of a hive, But as with too, too eager haste, He strove the liquid sweets to taste, A bee surpris'd the heedless boy, Prick'd him and dash'd the expected joy. The urchin, when he felt the smart Of the envenom'd, angry dart, He kick'd, he flung, he spurn'd the ground, He blow'd, and then he chaf'd the wound, He blow'd, and chaf'd the wound in vain, The rubbing still increas'd the pain. Straight to his mother's lap he hies, With swelling cheeks and blubber'd eyes. Cries she "What does my Cupid ail?" When thus he told his mournful tale, "A little bird they call a bee, With yellow wings, see, mother, see, How it has gor'd and wounded me!" "And are not you," replied his mother, "For all the world just such another, Just such another peevish thing, Like in bulk, and like in sting? For when you aim a pois'nous dart Against some poor unwary heart, How little is the archer found, And yet how wide, how deep the wound!" Lucas Cranach I (1472-1553). Cupid Complaining to Venus. CUPID, as he lay among Roses, by a bee was stung ; Whereupon, in anger flying To his mother, said thus, crying : Help ! oh help ! your boy's a-dying. And why, my pretty lad, said she ? Then, blubbering, replied he : A winged snake has bitten me, Which country people call a bee. At which she smiled ; then, with her hairs And kisses drying up his tears : Alas ! said she, my wag, if this Such a pernicious torment is, Come tell me then, how great's the smart Of those thou woundest with thy dart ! k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/4i6vntk309/r_he_could_not_feel_them_in_your_mommy.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/q4dm266stv/r_he_throwed_the_law_the_bee.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9o7no8gry1/r_she_saw_that_peggy_no_more_hiss.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/148g95tjwm/r_a_demon.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2xj4z6k6ht/r_the_bee.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/lx0a3t90a3/r_we_must_beat_them_see_foe.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/s60vpsgtoh/r_we_pay_athena_i_see_them_in_your_mommy_a_leaf_fall_thought_now_hear_god_send_shot_no_arrow_at_your_god.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/23f9e1u494/r_athena.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/q2z87g4z06/r_owl_got_the_lover_whose_graceful_lolita.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/e91lyv9enk/r_the_eva_she_know_me.mp3k005.kiwi6.com/hotlink/k09lteq24z/r_the_bee_a_mommy_below.mp3
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Post by urthona on Jun 16, 2012 21:45:58 GMT -8
R: he_could_not_feel_them_in_your_mommy R: he_throwed_the_law_the_bee R: she_saw_that_peggy_no_more_hiss R: a_demon R: the_bee R: we_must_beat_them_see_foe R: we_pay_athena_i_see_them_in_your_mommy_a_leaf (fall/thought) now_hear_god_send_shot_no_arrow_at_your_god R: athena R: owl_got_the_lover_whose_graceful_lolita R: the_eva_she_know_me R: the_bee_a_mommy_below [were more but this is time-consuming]
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Post by urthona on Jun 18, 2012 4:11:21 GMT -8
Who killed Cock Robin? I, said the Sparrow, with my bow and arrow, I killed Cock Robin.
Who saw him die? I, said the Fly, with my little eye, I saw him die.
Who caught his blood? I, said the Fish, with my little dish, I caught his blood.
Who'll make the shroud? I, said the Beetle, with my thread and needle, I'll make the shroud.
Who'll dig his grave? I, said the Owl, with my pick and shovel, I'll dig his grave.
Who'll be the parson? I, said the Rook, with my little book, I'll be the parson.
Who'll be the clerk? I, said the Lark, if it's not in the dark, I'll be the clerk.
Who'll carry the link? I, said the Linnet, I'll fetch it in a minute, I'll carry the link.
Who'll be chief mourner? I, said the Dove, I mourn for my love, I'll be chief mourner.
Who'll carry the coffin? I, said the Kite, if it's not through the night, I'll carry the coffin.
Who'll bear the pall? We, said the Wren, both the cock and the hen, We'll bear the pall.
Who'll sing a psalm? I, said the Thrush, as she sat on a bush, I'll sing a psalm.
Who'll toll the bell? I said the Bull, because I can pull, I'll toll the bell.
All the birds of the air fell a-sighing and a-sobbing, when they heard the bell toll for poor Cock Robin.
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Post by guest on Aug 8, 2012 12:58:22 GMT -8
I hear "Peggy lied" in this video..
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