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Post by urthona on Sept 7, 2012 8:53:13 GMT -8
F: now the the archetype is a force it has an automony it can R: ...anima...has a soul for she gratified....
F: suddenly sieze you it is like a seizure R: for shes the cause of it_who sees your respite
F: so so for instance yeah R: die_thats not possible
F: falling in love at first sight that is such a case R_they are visions of marriage_they all serve the holy love
F: you see you have a certain image in yourself without doing it of the woman of any woman R_no more beautiful_the woman fuk the youth out of_thats why you show me reversal_ how is it
now you see that girl or or at least a good imitation of your wife
F: and instantly you get a siezure and you are you are caught R: ..._its a sekret
F: R: its evil but it is holy
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Post by urthona on Sept 8, 2012 7:18:46 GMT -8
F: now the the archetype is a force it has an automony it can R: ...anima...has a soul for she gratified.... F: suddenly sieze you it is like a seizure R: for shes the cause of it_who sees your respite F: so so for instance yeah R: die_thats not possible F: falling in love at first sight that is such a case R_they are visions of marriage_they all serve the holy love F: you see you have a certain image in yourself without doing it of the woman of any woman R_no more beautiful_the woman fuk the youth out of_thats why you show me reversal_ how is it now you see that girl or or at least a good imitation of your wife F: and instantly you get a siezure and you are you are caught R: ..._its a sekret F: R: its evil but it is holy
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Post by urthona on Sept 9, 2012 8:43:34 GMT -8
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 8:45:02 GMT -8
LOVE will be the gift you give yourself. shadowdance.com/is-it-love-or-is-it-projection/4581115816'Jung teaches that there is no other way to see these parts of us yourself, so it’s inevitable that they will be projected. The intoxication and the intensity of the experience are clues that we are into a projection. Ordinary human beings do not evoke the instant passion that “love at first sight” evokes.'
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 9:14:56 GMT -8
before she became expressed in outward forms R: when in heaven i am silent i am the alphabet
These are words Blake used to describe the Eternal Vala the Emanation of Luvah, the Zoa of emotion before she became expressed in outward forms and began her descent. She is the 'sinless soul', the 'sweet wanderer', the 'loveliest of the daughters of Eternity.'
All of Blake imaging of the fall is away from unity into division; none more so than Vala's fall into love expressed through "the opposite sexes". The characteristics of the generated world are dualistic. What were easily reconciled contraries in Beulah become warring factions in Generation
From Page 172 of Kathleen Raine's Blake and Tradition: "Here we must return, yet again, to the figure of Vala. We have seen her mythological antecedents as the soul Psyche; and we have see how in Jerusalem she became an independent figure, the material shadow of the soul who has become 'animated' with a life of her own. This animation of 'nature' as an externalized shadow of the soul we can more perfectly understand in its relation to the sensible world. Blake in entitling his poem Vala, was indicating his central theme: man's lapse into a mistaken belief in the substantiality of the phenomena."
In the following account of the fall, told by the Spectre of Urthona, Albion succumbs to the appeal of Vala. From his union with her Urizen is born as the first to be born to the generated world - opening up the expression of the soul in material form. Albion perceives Vala now as half of split being: Luvah the Zoa, and Vala the Natural World which is the Zoa's reflection. Vala is given power to turn the emotions into destructive forces when she is seen as a function of matter and not of soul or spirit. Blake make it clear that what we see as Vala - natural phenomena - is a 'sweet delusion', covering and hiding from sight the real and Eternal world. The description of the gentle Thel as a reflection in a glass, a shadow in the water, and a lilly are apropos for Vala in her Eternal form:
etc.
beulah is the dream, the fallen world is something else
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 9:19:35 GMT -8
i think i posted this previously, if so, it ties these things together very well:
okay this stuff manifested in a dream the same night--havent had time to get into it more than the surface stuff but will share it just in case i dont get back to doing more rs
in the dream im gathering colors, in the shapes of gummy worms from bowls filled with them and other tiny items (lol, gotta luv the worm) seems all the participants have their own bowl but all bowls are available to all the others participants in what i take to be a (fema-type drill??)
very involved and a lot evaporated but essentially i am laying out the colors on the surface of the ground in rows then use a large paint brush type mop to add a layer of water over the rows (like those water coloring books which were popular when i was young) from which emerge word shapes to form sentences which further materialize into objects/shapes
toward the end i see my male infant looking back at me--we head toward each other--next hes in my arms--he has formed his sentences into a song which the crowd joins in singing with him
we watch as the participants who did not meet their infant are laid in a row as victims
all i recall of the song now is the first two words," potentially important", which transformed into the letters, POI, just as i was waking
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 9:21:16 GMT -8
i think the male infant represents the spiritual part of ourselves and the words our experiences; it is our job to nurture the spiritual part of ourself
F_like the squeaky wheels getting all the attention_R_essentially lonely so we use it still
F_the opposite direction_R_i shared this part/i shared this spot/i shared the spiral [changes with the speed]
Beulah is evermore Created around Eternity; appearing "To the Inhabitants of Eden, around them on all sides. But Beulah to its Inhabitants appears within each district As the beloved infant in his mothers bosom round incircled With arms of love & pity & sweet compassion. But to The Sons of Eden the moony habitations of Beulah, Are from Great Eternity a mild & pleasant Rest." blake
In the Blake Dictionary, Damon states that Beulah is the subconscious. As such it is out of touch with what we call the 'real world' of conscious thought, sensation, and ego-control. Since what it presents to consciousness is non rational - dreams, fantasy, intuitions,and imaginary constructs - we tend to classify it as illusionary. Psychologists however have found it an avenue for healing the psyche by revealing hidden damage deeper within the unconscious
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 9:25:09 GMT -8
POI
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 9:45:36 GMT -8
quoted:
Now as time goes on, it is inevitable that these projections are going to fall off. They actually have to so that we can see who the other person actually is and relate to a real person instead of a God or Goddess (a symbiotic extension of oneself). When a relationship reaches that stage of familiarity, many people addicted to this kind of high start looking around outside their primary marriage or partnership if their maturity level is still in the puella or puer aeternus stage of consciousness. This is the archetype of the Peter Pan, an adolescent eternal child, where we want to be mirrored instead of related to the people in our lives. Many relationships end at this stage and the alchemical process begins all over again with someone else. Some go on to marry the person with whom they feel they are in love, and become disillusioned when they realize that they have married a person who is not who they thought they were.
On the other hand, if the two people are committed to their relationship, growing and becoming conscious, when the projections wear off, there is an opportunity that arrives for both people. They can now discover and embrace their missing halves. This is not an easy task as it takes work and often involves a painful encounter with the self. In his book, Mysterium Coniunctionis, Jung says that an experience with the self is always a defeat for the ego but that the death of the ego (the self as you knew it) allows one to be reborn into one’s own wholeness as projections are taken back.
The value of taking back our projections is that we can now see and accept our partners for who they are — not what we wanted them to be; not what we wish they would change into; not for what they can give us; but who they are. The love that can now grow between two partners is profound because it is REAL. Real love, unlike projection, is a willingness to see and support another person to be their own unique, separate self. This will untangle us from seeking in them the perfect parent-mirror image of ourselves, for as long as we are still seeking to be completed by another person, we will not allow them their own autonomy.
As the Rune “Partnership” describes it, two separate and whole beings — equals in the true sense of the word — can help each person feel their own union with the Divine within instead of through projective identification with their partner. As the love between them grows and expands to the entire cosmos, this kind of love gives each partner their freedom — the greatest gift of all.
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 10:59:11 GMT -8
Where shall we take our stand to view the infinite & unbounded Or where are human feet for Lo our eyes are in the heavens
He ceasd for rivn link from link the bursting Universe explodes_blake On page 122 Urizen continues to participate in the metamorphosis taking place in the cosmos. The Eternal Man replies to Urizen's confession of responsibility for the instability which has arisen within man and in the external world. Urizen is told that by encountering the spiritual aspect within himself, he can engage with the incarnation of the spirit in matter. Although Albion has experienced transitions through several states of consciousness, God's Eternal Word remains constant. Urizen is told that he will continue to see changes within and around him, including the return of his ability to be expressed through his Emanation Ahania. The cyclical regeneration of the mental processes, which Ahania represents, will remain an aspect of the psyche. There is a feedback loop which stimulates thought and responds to it. The nurturing times lead to the productive activity and vice versa. ramhornd.blogspot.com/
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Post by evp on Aug 19, 2015 19:35:36 GMT -8
Lots to evp and reverse I see what i can get said when I got the time it just sucks that peggys blog got close down was always alot to read back then
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 19:53:06 GMT -8
sounds fine
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 19, 2015 22:21:08 GMT -8
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Post by evp on Aug 20, 2015 10:22:50 GMT -8
F: now the the archetype is a force it has an automony it can R: ...anima...has a soul for she gratified.... F: suddenly sieze you it is like a seizure R: for shes the cause of it_who sees your respite F: so so for instance yeah R: die_thats not possible F: falling in love at first sight that is such a case R_they are visions of marriage_they all serve the holy love F: you see you have a certain image in yourself without doing it of the woman of any woman R_no more beautiful_the woman fuk the youth out of_thats why you show me reversal_ how is it now you see that girl or or at least a good imitation of your wife F: and instantly you get a siezure and you are you are caught R: ..._its a sekret F: R: its evil but it is holy And the beautiful women auth eve our past why jeppy verses the worst
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Post by evp on Aug 20, 2015 11:04:51 GMT -8
they are making plan they are so e vulnerable
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Post by guest on Aug 20, 2015 11:10:09 GMT -8
you see you are asert and the means of the women and every man
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 20, 2015 13:42:42 GMT -8
F: now the the archetype is a force it has an automony it can R: ...anima...has a soul for she gratified.... F: suddenly sieze you it is like a seizure R: for shes the cause of it_who sees your respite F: so so for instance yeah R: die_thats not possible F: falling in love at first sight that is such a case R_they are visions of marriage_they all serve the holy love F: you see you have a certain image in yourself without doing it of the woman of any woman R_no more beautiful_the woman fuk the youth out of_thats why you show me reversal_ how is it now you see that girl or or at least a good imitation of your wife F: and instantly you get a siezure and you are you are caught R: ..._its a sekret F: R: its evil but it is holy And the beautiful women auth eve our past why jeppy verses the worst so what does that mean; auth=author, authorize jeppy=a well endowed male with many friends or slang a white nigga with a big one who knows how to use it the reversals are on carl jung from a youtube video--i know nothing about his sex life except that he had sex with a 19 year old patient but otherwise it kinda doesnt seem to fit the man
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Post by evp on Aug 21, 2015 19:08:47 GMT -8
Ev And the beautiful women auth eve our past why jeppy verses the worst so what does that mean; auth=author, authorize jeppy=a well endowed male with many friends or slang a white nigga with a big one who knows how to use it the reversals are on carl jung from a youtube video--i know nothing about his sex life except that he had sex with a 19 year old patient but otherwise it kinda doesnt seem to fit the man What I think it means is we are in the past and we verse from the future to control what happens in our life Eve always verses for the best outcome of our life's and then jeppy Always verses for the worst outcome of our life's but I don't know if it's true because you would get pretty bored of versing for good or versing for bad all the time or being in between I would verse for them all good bad and blanced but who knows maybe eve does verse for the good all the time and I am un certain if the name jeppy was correct but a women that verses for the worst outcome of our life's
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 22, 2015 5:07:49 GMT -8
Ev so what does that mean; auth=author, authorize jeppy=a well endowed male with many friends or slang a white nigga with a big one who knows how to use it the reversals are on carl jung from a youtube video--i know nothing about his sex life except that he had sex with a 19 year old patient but otherwise it kinda doesnt seem to fit the man What I think it means is we are in the past and we verse from the future to control what happens in our life Eve always verses for the best outcome of our life's and then jeppy Always verses for the worst outcome of our life's but I don't know if it's true because you would get pretty bored of versing for good or versing for bad all the time or being in between I would verse for them all good bad and blanced but who knows maybe eve does verse for the good all the time and I am un certain if the name jeppy was correct but a women that verses for the worst outcome of our life's well i googled jeppy and all that came up was jeppe, a male name derived from the name i know as jacob--the biblical jacob was a villian by defrauding his brother of his birthright and his fathers blessing but later was reconciled to esau after his mystical experience where he became a new man and changed his name to israel also i would of course need to hear the reversal myself before arriving at a decision anyways as for the past you are likely right about that eve was the inspiration for the creation of the adam, the natural man, as illustrated in what peegy referred to as that "reppie" pic by mikey angelo....
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 22, 2015 5:13:56 GMT -8
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 22, 2015 23:00:57 GMT -8
i see what you are saying about eve versus jeppy if jeppy was an anima figure
what is interesting about carl jung is that he spent the greater part of his latter life attempting to integrate all his anima projections yet his work ended with that mission not accomplished and the reason was a simple one: EGO
during this part of his life he worked on a sekret book that contained all this work with the anima integration and he wanted badly to publish it but never did because he knew his reputation would be attacked and he liked his reputation as it was--he made the wrong choice and never reached his goal
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 23, 2015 8:36:44 GMT -8
ok just to be fair i googled "jeffy woman" totally expecting a woman but got this instead: jezebel.com/5980600/prominent-pick-up-artist-drives-a-rape-van-and-harasses-women-on-okcupidwomen actually are attracted to him it seems--mebe they expect to be the one who tames him? he reminds me of the dude in the white cadillac convertible who waits till he reaches the corner down the road near my place to turn his pre-selected song up full blast then drives by waving like crazy even standing up to be sure he gets noticed i have never waved back and do not expect to either--he still drives by but with a new song each time as if im just playing hard to get? i was informed hes an nice man but he still seems like someone to avoid to me
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 23, 2015 8:53:05 GMT -8
Jeffy’s van contains a disco ball, film posters, sexy pillows, and a big box of condoms, (among other things). And every time one of the ‘gang’ gets laid in the van, Jeffy stencils another toilet-door symbol of a woman to the rear:
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 23, 2015 8:55:02 GMT -8
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Post by evp on Aug 29, 2015 0:36:50 GMT -8
i see what you are saying about eve versus jeppy if jeppy was an anima figure what is interesting about carl jung is that he spent the greater part of his latter life attempting to integrate all his anima projections yet his work ended with that mission not accomplished and the reason was a simple one: EGO during this part of his life he worked on a sekret book that contained all this work with the anima integration and he wanted badly to publish it but never did because he knew his reputation would be attacked and he liked his reputation as it was--he made the wrong choice and never reached his goal I don't think the evp i got had anything to do with carl jung but I think what was being said it that eve verses for the good and then another women verses for the bad I don't know if i hear jeppe or deb but what I think they mean is another women who verses for the bad.
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Post by evp on Aug 29, 2015 8:13:36 GMT -8
i see what you are saying about eve versus jeppy if jeppy was an anima figure what is interesting about carl jung is that he spent the greater part of his latter life attempting to integrate all his anima projections yet his work ended with that mission not accomplished and the reason was a simple one: EGO during this part of his life he worked on a sekret book that contained all this work with the anima integration and he wanted badly to publish it but never did because he knew his reputation would be attacked and he liked his reputation as it was--he made the wrong choice and never reached his goal I don't think the evp i got had anything to do with carl jung but I think what was being said it that eve verses for the good and then another women verses for the bad I don't know if i hear jeppe or deb but what I think they mean is another women who verses for the bad. cure emma te bob is life(like) to be worth and not a separate
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Post by urthona2 on Aug 29, 2015 11:30:32 GMT -8
i see what you are saying about eve versus jeppy if jeppy was an anima figure what is interesting about carl jung is that he spent the greater part of his latter life attempting to integrate all his anima projections yet his work ended with that mission not accomplished and the reason was a simple one: EGO during this part of his life he worked on a sekret book that contained all this work with the anima integration and he wanted badly to publish it but never did because he knew his reputation would be attacked and he liked his reputation as it was--he made the wrong choice and never reached his goal I don't think the evp i got had anything to do with carl jung but I think what was being said it that eve verses for the good and then another women verses for the bad I don't know if i hear jeppe or deb but what I think they mean is another women who verses for the bad. eve is an anima figure that applies to all men including yourself and carl jung there are 4 levels of development : first,eve; second, helen; third, mary; and fourth, sophia these anima archetypes are elements of the collective unconscious; they are expressed unconsciously within every man they control the way a man sees women eve represents when a man sees a woman mostly as a sexual object helen represents when a man views women as capable of worldly success and self-reliant, intelligent, and insightful but at the same time lacking in virtue, faith, or imagination mary represents when man views women as virtuous despite her activities sophia represents when a man sees women as individuals who possess both positive and negative qualities im not a shrink so cant say for sure about your jeffy or deb figure--perhaps its a shadow archetype--you might pursue her to see what she has to offer
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Post by evp on Aug 29, 2015 12:08:23 GMT -8
I don't think the evp i got had anything to do with carl jung but I think what was being said it that eve verses for the good and then another women verses for the bad I don't know if i hear jeppe or deb but what I think they mean is another women who verses for the bad. cure emma te bob is life(like) to be worth and not a separate during metaphoricals like you word from our separate separate group and the tinkle its worth
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Post by evp on Aug 29, 2015 12:12:19 GMT -8
I don't think the evp i got had anything to do with carl jung but I think what was being said it that eve verses for the good and then another women verses for the bad I don't know if i hear jeppe or deb but what I think they mean is another women who verses for the bad. eve is an anima figure that applies to all men including yourself and carl jung there are 4 levels of development : first,eve; second, helen; third, mary; and fourth, sophia these anima archetypes are elements of the collective unconscious; they are expressed unconsciously within every man they control the way a man sees women eve represents when a man sees a woman mostly as a sexual object helen represents when a man views women as capable of worldly success and self-reliant, intelligent, and insightful but at the same time lacking in virtue, faith, or imagination mary represents when man views women as virtuous despite her activities sophia represents when a man sees women as individuals who possess both positive and negative qualities im not a shrink so cant say for sure about your jeffy or deb figure--perhaps its a shadow archetype--you might pursue her to see what she has to offer the eve and jeppy would apply for everybody but like i said I think they would get bored versing for the same outcome all the time.
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Post by Evp on Aug 29, 2015 12:43:32 GMT -8
eve is an anima figure that applies to all men including yourself and carl jung there are 4 levels of development : first,eve; second, helen; third, mary; and fourth, sophia these anima archetypes are elements of the collective unconscious; they are expressed unconsciously within every man they control the way a man sees women eve represents when a man sees a woman mostly as a sexual object helen represents when a man views women as capable of worldly success and self-reliant, intelligent, and insightful but at the same time lacking in virtue, faith, or imagination mary represents when man views women as virtuous despite her activities sophia represents when a man sees women as individuals who possess both positive and negative qualities im not a shrink so cant say for sure about your jeffy or deb figure--perhaps its a shadow archetype--you might pursue her to see what she has to offer the eve and jeppy would apply for everybody but like i said I think they would get bored versing for the same outcome all the time. eve as well as being a sex object deals with medication Adam gives you medication to help you stop wanting sex just like God gives us religion to deal with religion He gives us evp and reverse speech
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